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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 2, 2009 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Cliff (and all)

When it comes to '78 I think you really need to spend time in the month of April.

Some have pointed out a few of those shows, but I'll add these notes:

4/8/78-As strong and well-played as almost any '77, and a SCARLET>FIRE to die for. In fact, they stretched out the jam transition section in these tunes far more than in most of '77 and the results are stunning throughout the month.

4/12/78-Maybe the greatest Row Jimmy ever played. Listen to the jam into the "broken heart..." verse.

4/16/78- Again with the SCARLET>FIRE and the entire show is firing on all cylanders.

4/21/78- Raucous, not as smooth, but with some unreal jams, including a nutty "Stayin' Alive" jam out of Playin' that has to be heard to be believed.

4/24/78-Some feel this was the greatest SCARLET>FIRE of the year, and it's tough to argue. Jerry says "let it burn, let it burn, let it burn" in the final chorus.

I echo what others have said about the October Winterland run, and don't forget the monster performances at Red Rocks in July (Ah-wooooooo!) and the classic "Close Encounters/St Stephen" show of 1/22/78. Not to mention the Farewell to Winterland show of 12/31/78, which cannot be argued against. Just can't. Sorry. It's one of their greatest all time performances.

I have to believe if you're not impressed with the power of these performances you've got a pre-disposed bias against the year. I just can't believe these shows would not impress, while you can make th case that on the whole the year is marked by sloppiness and Jerry's vocal woes here and there.

But there are a LOT of gems in 1978.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

" Not to mention the Farewell to Winterland show of 12/31/78, which cannot be argued against. Just can't. Sorry. It's one of their greatest all time performances."

Goes to show .....

Yeah I can. I think it's over rated. All time best/funnest New Years party and setlist - yes. One of their all time greatest performances? I will definately argue against that.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

ooooh. I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. (Office Space reference...great movie...wanna argue that one?)

C'mon, man....the Dark Star>OtherOne>Dark Star>WharfRat>StStephen>GoodLovin? That Dark Star is a JOY to listen to....yeah, it doesn't drone on for 45 minutes with screeching feedback and Phil throwing bass notes at nothing for five minutes like everyone's precious '73 shows...but I call that a plus...it's jazzy and focused and spacey without being self-indulgent..one of the best Dark Stars the band ever played...

The Sugar Mag sandwich in the FIRST? Wow. I dunno....seems it's hard to impress some folks. They played their hearts out that night...they all loved that old rink, and I think it showed. I listen to any one of those 3 discs over and over again and i can't find anything but excellence.

Even the first set tunes like STAGGER LEE and ALL OVER NOW have a little extra oomph to 'em.

Oh, well. I guess one man gathers what another man spills.

This post was modified by grendelschoice on 2009-03-02 23:39:58

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

" Office Space reference...great movie...wanna argue that one?"

Yeah. The Godfather is a GREAT movie, Office space is a GOOD movie. I think I see a pattern

; )

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

What's your favorite Michael Bolton song?

Ummm, I dunno. I like them all, I guess.

Oh, me, too. I celebrate the man's entite catalog.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 2, 2009 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Only if no Kenny G.

I Agree With Pat Metheny (by Richard Thompson)


I agree with Pat Metheny
Kenny's talents are too teeny
He deserves the crap he's going to get
'Overdubbed himself on Louis
What a musical chop suey
Raised his head above the parapet


Now Louis Armstrong was the king
He practically invented swing
Hero of the twentieth century
'Did duets with many a fella
"Fatha" Hines, Bing, Hoagy, Ella
Strange he never thought of Kenny G


A meeting of great minds, how nice
Like Einstein and Sporty Spice
Digitally fused in an abortion
Oh, Kenny fans will doubtless rave
While Satchmo turns inside his grave
Soprano man's bit off more than his portion


Brainless pentatonic riffs
Display our Kenny's arcane gifts
But we don't care, his charms are so beguiling
He does play sharp, but let's be fair
He has such lovely crinkly hair
We hardly notice, we're too busy smiling


How does he hold those notes so long?
He must be a genius. Wrong!
He just has the mindlessness to do it
He makes Britney sound like scat
If this is jazz I'll eat my hat
An idle threat, I'll never have to chew it


So next time you're in a rendezvous
And Kenny's sound comes wafting through
Don't just wince, eliminate the cause
Rip the tape right off the muzak
Pull the plug, or steal a fuse, Jack
The whole room will drown you in applause


Yes, Kenny G has gone too far
The gloves are off, it's time to spar
Grab your hunting rifle, strap your colt on
It's open season on our Ken
Yet I await the moment when
We lay off him and start on Michael Bolton


Oh, I agree with Pat Metheny
Kenny's talents are too teeny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucgZQGPZOpk

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

never heard that one but I did hear Methany on Kenny G. " Musical Necropheliac." Man you have to be REALLY pathetic ( case in point ) or worse to get that much wrath from another musician

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 3, 2009 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

"Pre-disposed" Grendel? Of course I'm pre-disposed, I've been listening to the Grateful Dead for over thirty years. I stated that I was in my post. Perhaps it is Grendel who is pre-disposed to not hearing the multi-dimensional and complex jazzy music from 1969-1974 which was often manifested in a 45 minute Dark Star or extended jam suite?

And while I have to admit that there are a handfull of excellent shows from 1978, perhaps a few flashes of brilliance, maybe even a couple traces of the magic that occured on almost a nightly basis prior to 1978, there can be no mistaking the fact that that Jer's voice sounds like shit, and on the whole, the band is not performing at the level they had consistently through much of the preceeding years!

As far as closing up Winterland, I once had a vinyl bootleg of this show and wore it out as a teenager. But I dont see how you could consider this show to be anywhere close to one of the best shows ever. Any average show from 1969-1975 blows it away!

A few friends came over this past weekend and we watched the DVD from the Egypt release. I've had it since it came out, but never bothered to check it out before. I've been to Egypt, so it wss pretty cool seeing that. But we got bored quickly and skipped ahead to the vacation footage.

I'm streaming the Cantor/MOTB of 4/16 right now. Pretty cool first set action! But I honestly cant understand how anyone could fail to recognize the fact that after '77, if not well before, things are starting to unravel for the band and its certainly reflected in the quality of their music.

Nobody mentioned the fact that there is such an abundance of official releases from '78; 2 DP's, 2 Vault boxes and a Road Trips edition. I've heard enough...

Thanks for sharing everyone!

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2009-03-03 16:46:32

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 3, 2009 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Jeez, I hate to agree with you Cliff, when you seem bent on DIS-agreeing with me...but I pretty much concur with everything you just said about '78!

In now way do I think it's indicative of one of their "best years"...only that in those examples I pointed out (and yes, I do include 12/31/78 as a standout show; won't back down there), the band is capable of awesome-ness on a par with some of their greatest shows,..it's just that the examples in '78 are few and far between. I think that April run is pretty remarkable, and after that, you have to pick and choose. I'm actually fairly critical of the DP shows everyone raves about of 2/5/78...can't find anything about THAT S>F that compares with 4/8, 4/16 OR 4/24 which I think are the best of that year.

What I meant about a pre-disposition against the year had really to do specifically with dissing the Farewell to Winterland show, which i just don't get. They performed an extraordinary set list (especially for that year) and delivered one of the finest Dark Star combos ever (again, this ends up being subjective, as I prefer DS's that don't dissolve into loud screeching feedback nonsense, and this one is more along the lines of great Jazz--doesn't lose its focus)...It's unmistakable that the band loved Winterland and I think it shows in an emotional farewell to the old place. (BTW, I also had that vinyl album--remember that great cover w/Garcia holding that big goblet of red wine?) and I've NEVER tired of the show. I just think it gets dissed almost as backlash a la 5/8/77...once something becomes "too popular" it's no longer "in" with the cool crowd...

overall, I totally agree...after 1977 (my all time favorite year) the band never achieved the CONSISTENT greatness they had in years previous...Many many amazing nights, yes (1981 more often than not) but nowhere near what they did as an "A" game night in and night out in 1977 (and i'm sure you'd say the same for 1968, but I see that year as almost an entirely different kind of band b/c of the style and type of music they were playing).

Hope i've made myself clearer here on the issue of how I feel about '78.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Mar 3, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

'78 might be the 2nd most released year behind 1972. Baffling.

The Closing of Winterland is not one of the great shows imo. Scratchy and ragged for the most part.

1/22 has four or five great tracks, as does the Feb DP. I have a 3 disc "best of" comp that gets a listen a few times a quarter (an enjoyable one at that), but I rarely play full shows from the year. Just not my cup of tea at the moment.